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« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2009, 12:06:53 PM »

hello all, a real vivid discussion and very interesting. this subject has been on my mind for some time, not directly with reiki and symbols (just since last week), but intention and reiki energy and prayers. I put all in one sentence, as it all can affect things outside ourselves. with intent (or affirmation), sending reiki or prayers. I believe our mind is the source of all around us (although not sure how it works  Grin ) so, one question has been on my mind for some time.. what is the relation of symbols and reiki to hynosis? hynosis is for me (experts please correct me) alteration of ones mindset. if I believed before, it is cool to be poor, the hynosist can change it to rich is cool.. and things around me start to change...

I think this might be similar with the symbols. There has been a agenda, fixed by usui perhaps, who siad, this symbol carries this meaning, this one another one. what happens basically, we alter our mind. first the symbol looks like a spiral to us, then it looks like, I can do this and this with it for my reiki. this is a way of getting started? as many here said?

and it also helps a beginner to focus (i feel I often looks track and reiki seems to disperse, not flowing towards target)...I feel my reiki flow goes there, where I think of..

basically, I would say, if we were told, symbol for distant healing (sorry not familiar with the symbols names  Embarrassed ) is for emotional healing. it would work in the same way..Huh?? can we say this?

it would be really interested to hear from someone having experience with hynosis. if one can compare those two things?

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« Reply #21 on: December 02, 2009, 07:19:12 AM »

Dear fairymeadow,

you are talking about many different things - I will try to say my point of view, although I am not a hypnosis expert Smiley

I don't believe, that our mind is the source of all around us - the source is "ALL".
With our minds, or better said with our believes were are able to realize the many manifestations of "ALL". The more we become capable of leaving old patterns of believe and behaviour behind, the more we will be able to be aware until we realize, that everything is already inside of us, but we forgot about it. Our (different) lifes are the opportunity to re-discover of what we are - until we realize, that there is no difference between "us" and "ALL there is".
And as well, that inside/outside is the same Smiley

Intent and affirmation - for me it is not the same.
Intent is something coming from my heart ... directing to someone or something. The intent is an "order" to my Higher Self. The Higher Self is the opposite of my subconsciousnes- although both have to work pretty well together to be able to manifest what I am intenting  Wink
Affirmations are directed to my subconsciousness, where everything is stored we have experienced so far (during our many lifes). So there we also find our patterns of believe and behaviour.

Using affirmations is not that easy as many people believe it is, and that's why many people say "with me it doesn't work out".
If our believe is "it's cool to be poor" ... nothing can change this believe as long as we choose to believe it. You may affirm thousands of times the sentence "it's cool to be rich" - nothing will change, as long as you don't believe it and as long as you believe that "poor is cool"
This is, because our subconsciousnes ONLY works with what it already experienced and validated as "true".
So, when using affirmations there's some more work to do, in order to convince your subconsciousnes. Reiki can help to transform those believes, especially with the mental technique or with the mental-symbol - AND of course in meditation.

You might say, that affirmation is some kind of self-hynosis, or hypnosis "light"  Grin

Therapeutic Hynosis is something similar but on a much deeper level. But even there, you might need several sessions until something starts happening !

Symbols and hypnosis
For me it has nothing in common, because using the symbols I am in a state of awareness and intent. Using or drawing the symbols with no intent ... nothing will happen. So, the symbols are the carrier of my intent and of the energy the symbol has on its own.

Try to experience the difference:
simply draw a circle = what happens? You draw and see just a simple circle.
And now draw this circle with the awareness of "never-ending creation" ... and feel what happens inside of you. angel

The more you do this, the more, this circle will be charged with this energy you are feeling.

Well  laugh I don't know if I can make clear, what I mean  Undecided

Looking forward to read from you all!

Blessings
Petra
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« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2009, 09:09:38 AM »

You canīt believe how many times I have started to write something to this topic today.. and all that comes out is ... nothing. So I donīt even try because nothing is nothing today. and still--- it is all there is at the moment.

I got yellow balls into my hands this mornig (psychic reiki attunement) so I am spreading Love through these to All of You!!!

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« Reply #23 on: December 04, 2009, 12:20:37 AM »

thanks petra very interesting to read what you say, my head is smoking.... Smiley I think my post was pretty messy, what I wanted to say.. lets try again... if your master would have told you, or any master of any person here, cho-ku-rei symbol is for distant healing, I wonder if the symbol would have the power for distant healing or for power healing? .

I agree with what you say, but what I wanted to compare to hynosis is the fact that we have been told cho-ku-rei is for power healing, but it fact any symbol would do perhaps or meaning? What count is what we have learnt. and I think learning is like hynosis (until your "I" sets in).. or brainwashing, which sounds very negative (please I am a not a critique of reiki, rather very analytical and interested in bringing science and spirtual things together, so I AM NOT critizing anyone, I just want to mention this, as I am new here Smiley ..)

When I was at uni, I felt I was brainwashed, or hynotised, meaning, I was thaught things without reflecting on it. When we are taught reiki, we all accept it (I speak about our first experience), the way it is done and the meaning of symbols. But later, as many write here, they changed their practise. Some stopped using reiki, some use only intend etc.. so reiki energy works anyway. the teaching, as many suggested here, is to get you focused, or simple get you running...

So the acceptence of the teaching of reiki, I see a similar strucure to hynosis (in the meaning of information access our mind and we behave, think in a particular way). and I wonder, what if reiki would still (what I think it will) work in the same way, if we were taught different meanings to the symbols???

and here I think, the teaching is influencing our mind and belief. I have not thought so deeply about subconscious mind, all there is and higherself. they are at the moment very abstract, but will for sure take them in and work them out inwardly (over the next years..  Grin )...  I think somehow I see belief as an "accepting teaching, without reflection"  and this teaching, without reflection will affect my mind, will affect my intention and later the manifestations around me. what I am inside, will be outside...


about affirmation I am very confused now, is the subconsious mind the akashic records? I am also wonder, how far we should use affirmations, if we modify with affirmations our path and karmic experience? not very sensible is it? one day we have to face, what we try to avoid? but this is another subject for a new post...Smiley


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« Reply #24 on: December 04, 2009, 06:51:38 AM »

 Cheesy hello fairymeadow,

I understand what you try to compare ... although "hypnosis" is the word I cannot agree with Smiley

You are right, if someone says "this symbol means xy", and we accept it, this symbol will be "xy" for us from now on. BUT symbols do have a meaning, or better said, a specific energy. Related to the energy I am talking about, it makes a difference if I draw a line or if I draw a circle or even a spiral - even if I don't put any meaning in it.
This energy you can feel when drawing it or looking at it (just have a look at paintings).

As of the Usui-Symbols, I agree - those symbols have been "channeled" by Usui.
If we want to learn the Usui-Reiki, we "accept" those symbols with their meaning. And furthermore, during the attunement, those symbols are "burnt" into our energy field. We are carrying them.
A clarivident (?) can see them - they are there!

This is with all the attunements into healing-systems using symbols - they are inside our auric field.

So, the teaching will influence us, that's correct ... this happens with all teachings.
Related to the Usui-Reiki, this is exactly why I call myself "old fashioned" ... it's very important, that the teaching is a responsible one - and no self-study manual can substitute a teaching from person to person - especially if it is the first contact with Reiki.

For a long time I didn't offer Usui-Reiki as distance-class, because of this.
I am doing it now, but I'm not giving just self-study notes, but wish to accompany the student during his process (at least) Smiley - giving feedback or further explanations etc.. I want to stay in contact with him ... that's part of the "contract" Smiley


Oh - and talking about symbols ... our subconscious is ONLY working with symbols, or you also might say - pictures.
Using affirmations is more powerful, if you "translate" your words into a picture or symbol; YOUR personal picture or symbol  Tongue

Subconscious is NOT the same as the Akashic record.
Everything - past and possible futures - are written in the Akashic record.
In our subconscious we find all we have experience until now.

Well, this thread is really a wide theme and not easy to discuss  laugh

Hoping I could explain what I mean to say  Huh?

Blessings
Petra


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« Reply #25 on: February 22, 2010, 09:38:35 PM »

Hi masters
My reiki is no symbols, no mantras, and no ascend masters, it's good?
if I want to distant healing, I use "pengacak frekuensi" energy level unlimited for protect energy until destination.
Sorry my English is bad

Love, light & blessing

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« Reply #26 on: February 24, 2010, 04:53:38 AM »

Hi Heru,

No need for apologies! Smiley I believe in traditional Reiki many have placed importance in using/utilizing the symbols! I believe when  Usui Sensei started out with Reiki he did not incorporated symbols until, i believe it was much later. It was practiced using traditional Japanese Ki Practices.

Also distance healing came much later. And in today's world, many have been connected to the Universal Life Source, and hence, many have discovered new energy systems. Some incorporate Shamanism, New Age, Buddhism, Christianity, Sufi..etc. And some don't employ symbols anymore!

IMHO, the using of symbols are a personal choice. I still use the 4 Reiki symbols. But with so many systems...it is really difficult to remember all the symbols. I use a small sketch pad to list down the symbols that i use often and i would like to use in the future. Some symbols will speak to you , and you will use them....some symbols you will not use until much later! Smiley

I know in Indonesia, there have many great systems that was founded like Vajra gTummo Reiki, gTummo Reiki, QRAK..and people like Yulis Agung and Hari Andri Winarso have founded many wonderful systems. And due to culture, and education from Reiki Master, i believe "pengacak frekuensi" will be easy for you to use, as for me the Hon Sha Ze Sho Nen is easy for me to use, as i understand kanji! Smiley

Most important, i guess is to use what is comfortable for you. This will help you enjoy your Reiki practice. If you are frustrated with a symbol, you project negative energies, and that will not be useful!

As Aroon always reminded me.....  ENJOY  Grin Grin Grin

Many blessings
ian
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« Reply #27 on: February 08, 2011, 01:28:55 AM »

I agree with Xian, personally symbols help me concentrate on what I am working on and further strengthening my intentions. I do not remember any single session that's gone without using symbols. It's a part of my practice and I do not want to let go of it. Just like one cannot do yoga with intention (without getting into yoga positions), I believe one should not part with the symbols just coz he/she thinks that the intention is stronger than the symbols, etc.

Namaste,
Dheeraj Smiley
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