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« on: November 28, 2009, 05:47:44 AM »

"Reiki Without Symbols" seems to be a question has started to pick up in the Reiki community. I see that the symbols may have out lived their usage Huh? Is it so?

For me personally, i love using symbols. I form a connection with them and it also helps me to focus! However, many are also saying that INTENT is more important! We can heal with intent. We can attune with intent. We can do lots more with intent!! True! I do use intent often also!! But where does it leave the symbol Huh?

For instance, in Traditional Usui, many may find drawing the symbols difficult due to the many strokes that are required. Just drawing Hon Sha Ze Sho Nen (HSZSN) requires 24 strokes, but as one who has basic knowledge of kanji, it takes about 5-7sec to draw (HSZSN). Do we move away from drawing because it is difficult or have we moved on to a higher plane!??

I do understand that as more modalities arise, we have more symbols to remember. Violet Flame Reiki alone has approximately 40 symbols...how then can we memorize all these symbols. I believe that, if we chose to be attune to that modality, then we should at least learn to use the symbols properly!

Does that mean that when we get to higher awareness we can do away with symbols and just use our intent?


I wondered are there any amongst you who do not use the Reiki Symbols when channeling Reiki, distantly or other?

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« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2009, 05:57:36 AM »

Dearest Xian
I have to agree with you, if someone chooses to use a certain modality with symbols, then they should use those symbols. I too find though that using the symbol helps me channel the energy more and I think it also teaches us more about the specific energy we are using.

It will be interesting as to what other members think, but I for one think that symbols are here to stay!!!

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« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2009, 05:59:19 AM »

I will come to your subject later on, meanwhile I must congratulate you for the use of tags in your new topic. Thanks Xian.
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« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2009, 11:22:01 AM »

Hi, thank you for writing about a subject  I often think about. I actually don't want to use symbols, they give me a bad feeling I feel like I'm doing something out of God's light or I feel like I'm doing magic. Maybe you find my feeling stupid but I prefer using "intent", I see the process like praying, I'm sure God knows which the best is, so there is no need to draw "japanese letters which are created by people." The energies come from the Source but the symbols are coming from human mind.

On the other hand, I know that people who attunes me use symbols to do it  and it's possible to have the energies by this way from those people. So once I had them, why should I think it's right or wrong...This is a question also and there is still choices.
Also when I was attuned Reiki Level Two, I was using the power symbol much and I saw how it's working powerfully. So maybe intent is not enough. But also intent makes Reiki work otomaticly, if the intent is right or there is real love, Reiki just begin flowing without symbols even when I don't think using Reiki.

One of my masters said that, "you must use symbols for everything in life, everything you can think, so that you would be Reiki." But I am not sure of it, the necessity of symbols maybe except attuning.




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« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2009, 04:01:16 PM »

My english is not good enough to tell you why I donīt use the symbols any more, but try your self just to be a channel and let the energy go through you as pure it can and you know how it really goes, when you donīt put your mind into it.
So, I think, that if people put the mind into symbols, they expect something to happen to their energies and if not, it happen any way if it is the highest good to you. So I think symbols are needed in the begining when you begin to work with energies and you have to take your mind with you. But after the mind has used to work with higher selfīs energy, you donīt need to use symbols any more in your work. But this is only my opinion and what I have gone throuhg in my energiework, with my higher selfīs teaching.
I think that now I am better channel to my energies than when I stoped itīs work with the symbols, because my mind was too strong after knowing what they ment to do. Releasing our own hopes is the best way to use Reiki any way.  Smiley
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« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2009, 12:32:39 AM »

Hi Friends,
It is very interesting discusion and I'll be the first for using symbols I guess I agree their are too much in the modalities.
My conception for the symbols is that they are like the programing language in the computers. I don't  know if I can explain in English better. I got my secondattunement( Seichim) after Usui Reiki, I began to think about the problem. It seemed to me that I can not select a symbol to the particular situation. Indeed there are symbols who "do not lie to me and hardly use it. But this does not preclude doing more new combinations that I use quite successfully. These are like commands from the programming language computers. If as pop-ups in Windows. I think somehow have to communicate with the Source language, which is his / her. And what about the colours that change the symbols? I disagree that the symbols are invented by the "human brain" This argument conflicts with the new modalities that occur. Then you have to say that all these Light workers are of their  own invented them? The topic is very extensive and I could write for hours. But my English is not very good to develop fully their views. I do not draw the symbols and imagine them, it does not take any time. But always use a colour that changes to their application. I try the symbols and colors, such intention is always the first place. And it is leading, but make an effort to Ecumenical computer programmed according to the intention with the Universal symbol alphabet. Proceeds from the idea that if my plan does not coincide with the highest good for man, and so the computer will not accept the command. Those who remember DOS, you will understand what I mean. Actually, if you convince me that there is no need to use symbols, I would be much easier and faster to work. So that will monitor the discussion.
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« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2009, 01:32:16 AM »

Sai Ram. Interesting discussion. I stopped using symbols long ago and did not find any major difference in the flow of energy. I find that whether we use symbols or intent, energy flows through us to the person requesting healing, only when we are destined to be the channels for their healing.

I also stopped trying to get attuned to the other modalities. I feel that the universe will find a way to heal the person through me using Reiki, Homeopathy, Bach Flowers or whatever else is needed.

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« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2009, 03:42:59 AM »

I have to say I donīt use symbols either. Those are the tools for our mind to focus, to become silent, those are the tools for us to let our ChristConsciousness to get down here easier. When we live our lives through the Love and Wisdom from ChristConsciousness we donīt have to use our mind anymore which is often very weak to outside influences such as music, words, our mind is surrounded by our emotions, by clients emotions, the world outside and it is very difficult to get rid of it or even to get it silent inside us so that we become the tools not the symbols..Symbols are helping us to become the tools, God needs us not the symbols. Symbols are helpers not the tools. I believe this like this, somebody woud disagree very much but it is ok.

I believe some symbols are coming from Higher Plane and those are the symbols Jesus used with his hands and fingers and we see those symbols in religious artpictures, in churhces and chapels, mostly in icons.

I think one big symbol is humanīs own body and how one keep that one symbol in condition to become pure vessel of Light and Love. All these energies are part of One Energy and that energy is Life that God gave us and it is One. But unfortunately we became so misleaded by our emotions and values we donīt remember at all who we really are. Symbols are very good when we start to remember and using symbols the shadowcurtain gets thinner and thinner and one day we will see we walk again hand in hand with Angelic Kingdom, we are One...Our Light is so brilliant.


There are so many different things in the world; which doesnīt feel good to somebody, somebody else would find it very precious. And it is very good, so let it be so. One day we all know which coud have been the easiest way to travel.

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« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2009, 07:49:51 AM »

This is a very interesting discussion and maybe we should ask ourselves, what symbols really are?

I love using symbols - but I don't always use them  laugh. It depends very much on the situation and on my intention. I can feel, if symbols are required or not, because the energy flow seems to be different.

During the 1-year of apprendiship for my Reiki-Master I was told to meditate upon symbols (not only Reiki symbols) in order to feel their specific energy and listen to their message.

Symbols do carry specific energies, as thoughts, words, chants or gestures do as well.
Talking about symbols I don't especially mean the Reiki-symbols, but all symbols we are surrounded by. Symbols are very powerful "helpers" and our sub-conscious ONLY speaks the symbol-language Smiley

So I consider symbols as powerful and useful - but everyone might decide by intention if there is need of symbol or not.

 angel But - giving attunements (except the Ole Gabrielsen energies) ... I always use symbols. And passing on attunements where symbols are part of the energy-system, the master should know what he is doing, because symbols are powerful.

Well, these are my 6 pence

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« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2009, 10:40:44 AM »

I have worked with symbols, without any, by speaking the name of the symbol, and by intuitively following the energy of the flow, color and feel, and visual seeing where in the body. It depends on the particular situation. But, the symbols for a specific system, and even the names of the symbols are very focused! And very powerful! I only do Attunements with symbols in order to keep the particular energy of that Healing System finely tuned and very focused, even though for me the Master Reiki Symbol name came out of the blue, with a powerful energy, for a specific time and purpose. It was Guidance to speak the name, which I questioned thoroughly and then, trusted for use. After that, sought to do the work and be attuned by a Reiki Master, and followed thru with the training and Attunement. So, there is a huge diversity of possibility, which your Guidance will teach you, and lead you to use and understand; but, the discipline and training to learn the symbols and to know how, when, where to use them...their attributes and characteristics... is vital...and often exact is needed for a specific purpose.
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« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2009, 08:46:46 PM »

If symbols are not a vital part of Reiki, then why are new symbols still being channel to practitioners/Lightworkers?? I do agree that at certain point that we will work with intent. I see that intent is important, but do you feel that by activating certain symbols, draw different energies?

I have nothing against working with or without symbols, but i guess this is a topic that needs to be discussed, as when i started out there was not enough guides to new Lightworkers on this subject!! Masters keep talking about intent. The new practitioners need to understand when is the point that they do not require to use symbols!

I have a Western Master and an Eastern Master. My Western Master, tells me it is not important to use symbols but intent, you can use them if you want to! However, in the east, my Master was more stick about using and drawing the symbols correctly. These also holds true to some friends who practice traditional Reiki (Usui Reiki Ryoho). Each time i draw the symbols wrongly or bit lazily  Grin my Eastern Master would direct me in to drawing it properly and correct intent! He told me "if you draw it lazily, your energy would flow lazily!"

For me, i have a extremely creative and busy mind!(always thinking of something!! Grin) (am in advertising  Grin) so the symbols help me to focus on what i am doing (it is nothing to do with magic, but focus and connection). The moment i connect with Shamballa (modality without symbols), i can feel a strong energy upon me, and when connect and i draw the Usui (modality with symbols) symbols if front of me i feel a ball of energy in front of me. In order to work with intent, we have to be very clear with our intent

Would Reiki change in the next maybe 5 to 10 years, that symbols would be a relic and gearing towards a non symbol system!?

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« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2009, 04:52:34 AM »

My opinion is that those who begins to work with energies must know what they can do to their life and energysystems with those energies. And after their work it is not necessary any more call them down, because we are the real ones, which Reiki represent =  Channels to Universal Love. So tools are for working not needed any more when it is done.  Smiley
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« Reply #12 on: November 30, 2009, 09:15:13 AM »

I agree Karuna and all friends in some parts. "Magic" issue was an example, I said I feel like doing it Smiley Because I believe "the highest good"  for a person. When sometimes I talk someone on the phone, Reiki flows, I don't even think to do it. Reiki works and knows where and when to go, because it has God Conciousness. Sorry for my bad English. Everyone is right about focusing with symbols, I know that they are created by Mikao Usui, not sent by God? Not as Reiki. Those symbols helped Mikao to focus and channel the energies, pass on and teach. It's Ok for me. Attunning someone and using symbols, yes If I am not sure about what I am doing, It's ok to use symbols too.

But I feel that, everything I do, saying hello to a neighbour or a person who works in the market or a teacher in the school for me, Reiki works in and out of me, keep flowing, changing, clearing me and I see people feel unless they know what it is. Because I'm a channel of it.

Meditation, breathing and wanting with heart is a good way to make Reiki work, without symbols. You can even make miracles with only imagination because Reiki works. I noticed that if there is love, it begin to flow, you don't even to think. I let it clean myself so I can be love and there won't be need to any symbols.

My inner voice says not to use symbols because God knows the highest good and really Reiki works in need. Awareness and synchroniscm increase, if you keep doing right things. Maybe only I live these kind of events among you, I don't know, so that it's hard to explain.

I also respect who use symbols and looking forward to read and people's experiences. If there is someone make attunements without symbols, I wonder.

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« Reply #13 on: November 30, 2009, 10:11:50 AM »

Hola Gaye,

what is magic to you?
To me, everything is magic - even preparing a meal or talking to the neighbour or attune someone to a Reiki system. Our whole life is magic.
Magic does not necessarily mean black magic - although I know Reiki-Teacher using black magic in their attunements. That's for example the purpose why I sometimes ask for the founder of an attunement .. but okay, that's another matter.

Why are there energy systems with symbols and others without?
And if there are symbols meant to be used, why not using them?
Not using the symbols that are meant to be used, also means that we will forget them, they will fade away. We won't be able to draw and use them in the correct way. As a consequence ... what are we attuning then? And what do we teach?

I can very well understand, that working with symbols is a "hard" work, because you have to draw them and say the mantras several times etc. etc.. but at the same time you are focussed on what you are doing - with a client or recipient.

For me it's not a good idea to let Reiki flow as it goes. I always ask before sending and then intent to do so (with or without symbols), because everyone has got his/her free will, and that's what I respect in order to avoid negativ karmic issues.

So, if someone feels uncomfortable using symbols, why don't they work with other energy systems that don't have any? There are plenty of them and they are beautiful and powerful healing modalities. All the "new energies" work just by intent and easy to use. That's completely okay because those energies correspond to the quality of time we are in (talking about 2012) Smiley

 Grin Really interesting discussion!

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« Reply #14 on: November 30, 2009, 10:25:14 AM »

  Before learning about Reiki and studying with a Reiki Master here in the US, I joined a class in progress that I just happened across. Had come to talk with a friend, who is a Chaplain and healer. She was in a session with someone, so the receptionist asked if I just wanted to sit in a class while waiting. Was very well aquainted with prayer and caretaking little ones from my nurse mother, who strongly believed in prayer, and who had that 'special touch'.
   The class was teaching a Cherokee system of healing. And as I was there, one of the statements of the teacher unlocked all the doors of my mind into Universal Flow. Hard to explain.... I went down, and bought the book by the Elder, which pretty much stated this as 'a beginning point'. As you work with Healing, your own Guidance and connection with God/ Universal Flow/ Creator, whatever name you know this by, will teach you everything you need to know as you listen in prayer. Intuitive Healing and many other aspects opened up from here. There were no symbols. Just listening and visually/ feeling/ sensing what was wrong, or what was there. And the emphasis that you are the channel, receiving information to help, or know the situation. That all healing comes from Source...you are simply the channel for the flow and prayer. It opened up my life and self!
   Since then, have wanted to learn. From each system that has come to a person, or group, including the symbols and information that gets written and taught, more understanding comes that adds to the wealth of growing knowledge in this age of being able to communicate on-line. And each system is a very valuable piece in the ability to work with the Energy effectively, as the channel for allowing the flow to Humanity and everything within our world. The symbols that belong with a specific way are very focused. Over time as more and more people work with those symbols, the focus becomes deeper, and begins to take on more and more attributes discovered.
   But the symbols are not the Source, only a way for the Source to express to make it easier for humanity/ individual people to understand. Many systems have long, long training and history that deliver more precise results as you learn their use.The symbols provide tools to make the transmission/ initiation easier to step into a specific knowledge and use...., especially when coming from outside that system, or from a beginning point of understanding. With time the need to use them every time is less, or not needed... perhaps, because the way of that system is within you......the Masters and Gurus of traditional teachings perhaps; but, they still teach one step and symbol to unlock at a time, as their students progress and are ready. And the symbols are the signature tone for a whole level of teaching.
  Besides the traditional ways and established systems, there is the wide open field of Intuitive...connection and prayer. Have learned so much thru simply being open to learn and understand that it would be hard to explain.
  Underneath all of it, remember, God, The Source, whatever name your belief.....is the Healing. We are simply a channel. Every individual has his/her own destiny and path. It is not ours to interfere. When someone asks for Healing Energy, we are simply the channel. The Universe works with the individual for Highest Good.
        okay, perhaps writing too much. Will stop! Adrianna
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« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2009, 10:58:01 AM »

Dear Petra, I don't think you understand me exactly maybe because of my English. Or let's say I can't explain. When say "Reiki flows", I didn't mean I'm sending everyone Reiki without asking Cheesy No. I mean, when there is real love, it just begins to flow. This is the conciousness of the Reiki. So it means it works conciously for the highest good of everyone.

I prefer especially Usui Reiki as an energy system as an answer to your offer. Because Usui Reiki is very different than the others, it can not be explained. It changed a lot of things in my life since I was attuned Usui Reiki Level One till now. You can never know someone's life experience and what brings him/her to Reiki. So we had better not offer "why don't you use any other modalities which doesn't have any symbols" Smiley It's not that simple, it's not only having symbols or not for me. I am interested in light, love coming from the Source.

This is not the right place to judge someone using symbols or not or why not trying any other modalities. You must know that Masters of Traditional Usui Shiki Rhoyo Reiki, after a while, make their students stop using symbols in the East Smiley

When human goes into a work, the work gets complicated. For example Takata wanted 10.000 dollars for Master initiation. Can you say it's right? Smiley

Human's choices are not my interests. I'm interested in only the healing energy of source, why it exists, why some people meet this and some not, why now and not before, how and when it begins to flow, what makes it flow, what are changes in me with that energy...If God does not send "symbols in japanese letters" and say "you must use them it's a certain rule", so it means I don't have to. These are only tecniques to concentrate or drive the energy which are created by people. My choice is not about only that symbols are hard to draw as you see.

As I said earlier, I am open to learn and improve myself and I am just sharing my thoughts, feelings with love. But the messages show me that I had better just watch from now on.

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« Reply #16 on: November 30, 2009, 11:22:41 AM »

Dear Gaye,

I didn't want to offend you  Kiss and I don't judge ... everyone is his own master.
So please accept my apologies if my words hurt you in any way  angel

Please, don't stop sharing your thoughts, because that's why we are here for ... sharing.

My point of view is just my point of view.

Especially the Usui-Reiki and some older energy systems as well, do have a tradition, and it's the responsibility of the Master and Teacher, to transport it. And that's what I teach my students, not only because of the tradition, but because of the responsibility.

But this also, is only my point of view Smiley

So please, carry on sharing your thoughts with us - they are valuable!!

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« Reply #17 on: November 30, 2009, 11:36:23 AM »

Dear Petra, Thanks for your understanding, please you accept my apologies if i've been rude to you. Smiley Yours and everyone's thoughts are valuable to me, too.

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« Reply #18 on: November 30, 2009, 08:20:38 PM »

It has been interesting reading the comments and thoughts. I do understand English may not be a main language for many, and misunderstanding may arise, but really appreciate the act of forgiveness, where we strive to understand one another!  Smiley

As i read Gaye's post on Takata charging $10,000...i remembered a Master saying why he needs or wants to charge at a higher fee...he was stating that if the practitioner or student does not pay he/she will neglect the practice! To point i agree!! When somethings are given free we may take it for granted.

Whilst meditating, i thought came to mind. When we buy cars, we have manual transmission, auto transmission and now Tiptronic (Auto with manual capabilities). I think we as practitioners should be be able to drive the 3 categories. Manual = working with symbols, auto = working with intent, tiptronic = working with both symbols and intent.

I remember one summer a friend of mine wanted to move to a new apartment, he managed to borrow a friend pickup truck, but he had a problem!! He could only drive auto transmission, so i helped! I guess being in Reiki has about some similarities. With Reiki it does flow to where it is required, but sometimes i feel we must have a direction for the energy to flow.

It has been noted many times if a person has an open wound, you don't apply Reiki directly on the wound as i would heal from the surface. So we need to direct the energy as not to heal from the outside. It is also noted that Reiki should not be sent to a person who is under anesthetic going into operation, as Reiki may negate it. I guess sometimes i use symbols to localize the energy flow!! Whereas, when i use intent, it will flow to where it is most needed!!

So, for me personally...IMO we should drive a Tiptronic transmission car  Grin Grin

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« Reply #19 on: December 01, 2009, 10:11:30 AM »

  Love your description! It fits! Adrianna
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